18 comments on “The Discretionary Mindset

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  2. You typed: “The bottom line is Zimmerman was within his legal means OWNING and CARRYING the weapon, but not how he USED the weapon.”

    My question is did Mr. Zimmerman have a permit to carry, and if so, having a recent 911 call in regards to domestic violence, and a battery on a peace officer incident in his past, WHY was he allowed to have a permit to carry?

    Why in the event of a homicide or a self defense shooting, was he not given a drug/alcohol test and have his hands tested to see if he did in fact discharge that weapon? Self defense or not, why didn’t Sanford P.D. not follow SOP?

    • From everything I have read thus far, YES he did have an active CCL from Florida. It is at current, trying to be revoked. As far as his past criminal record, I have read alot of conjecture, but nothing concrete as to why these charges were dropped.

      In regards to the Sanford PD and DA, I agree there are alot of gross irregularities on how this case is being handled. IMO, the Sanford DA is at fault more than the Sanford PD, as it is the DA’s responsibility to prosecute cases based on the merit of eveidence gathered from their Shoot Team and the PD.

      We shall see….

      • It starts with the shooting team, it can’t be the DA’s fault if the on site shooting team is busy kissing Zimmerman’s ass instead of recovering evidence, including prints, the actual gun, drug, blood & alcohol tests. First officers on scene and the shooting team started this fiasco….the DA comes much later but his hands are tied based on sloppy police work.

  3. Very well written, I will reserve passing judgment on whether or not Mr. Zimmerman was acting in self defense or not until I hear more from the findings of the police department but I do know if I was in a situation where I was getting the snot beat out of me (as reported in the police report) by another person I would certainly defend myself. I live in a state where it is not mandatory to have a CCW and I have my weapon on me everyday at all times but I also understand the law and I do everything in my power to defuse a situation before it escalates into a situation of me having to use deadly force

    • Thanks..I commented on the evidence available to me concerning Mr. Zimemrman and I really don’t think there is anything the defense can present to exonerate him at this point..the phone call tapes do not lie…despite all the character assassination attempts by both sides, which really have no bearing in this case..bottom line: Zimmerman acted foolishly and broke the law in doing so. The point of the article was to not to say ‘Don’t defend yourself” quite the contrary; it was to say, “Do Defend yourself at all cost”, but don’t get into stupid situations, like chasing people and starting fights, and break the law. People forget about the civil suits that are going to come out of this..Zimmerman may stay out of jail, but he will be lucky to have a cardboard box and a pot to piss in after that! That is the real killer in Concealed Carry Lawsuits: The Civil Side..where they destroy your life in every way…The old adage “There is a Lawyer attached to every bullet you fire.” IS TRUE!! There was one critical mistake Zimmerman made: he pursued the victim..that is the definition of “provoking” and not “Standing your Ground.” When the fight started in earnest and he started getting whooped by this kid, he did what any scared person does who has a gun..he pulled it and used it. When you carry a gun, you have a MORAL responsibility to use common sense and good judgement, Zimmerman used neither.

  4. Very well written article. I keep wondering what if Mr. Martin had a CCL? Me and my husband live in rural California and my husband grew up outside of Yosemite for a while. He was OBLIGATED to learn how to shoot a weapon, to hunt and for self defense because they lived down the road from the church of the creator and they are Black! I am also Black and feel that more Black youths need to learn how to shoot a gun, not from their friends who may not know how to properly handle a firearm but from taking courses in hunting and marksmanship. This increases confidence AND gives them a tool in their arsenals. It’s hard for all young people nowadays, but in particular these weird things keep happening with young Black people and they need to be able to have the tools to protect themselves!

    • If Martin had had a CCL, he would have to have met all the requirements of the “Stand your Ground” statute like anybody else….as I said EDUCATION of the law is the primary thing, then good solid TRAINING on top of that. No matter your race, religion or creed, having a CCL means you have to take the moral high ground and use good judgement and not let passion make your decisions.

  5. This is the most relevant, unemotional, common sense piece of writing I have ever read regarding carrying a weapon. It says much better the points I have been tring to make in every post on every blog I have been on. I have no desire to tread on anyones constitutional rights or the ability to defend themselves against some of the insane violence I know that all of us law abiding citizens might be subject to encounter. But I also know from experience that not all use this right to carry in the manner it is intended and they too kill unnecesarily, just as the common criminal does. This is a good piece of writing.

  6. Informative and well-written article. This is coming from a non-gun owner.

    Your article should be required reading for anyone who wants to discuss, report on or opine on the martin/zimmerman debacle.

  7. If every gun owner were as thoughtful and level-headed all the time as you were when you wrote this, gun control would not be an issue. How do we make sure that guns only belong to people who can use them responsibly? That’s the real problem. I’m not worried about the author wrongfully killing someone, but everyone who qualifies for a permit? That’s the unanswerable question for gun control advocates.

    • Ensuring that people who own and carry gun’s are ONLY responsible people is like trying to ensure everybody that gets a drivers license is a good driver..You can’t do it. It is a privledge, and privledges can be revoked. You can only set laws and punish those who break them. Carrying a weapon for protection carries with it enormous personal responsibility and therefore the punishment for not carrying thru with that responsiblity is harsh, both criminal and civil.

      The problem with gun control and people who think that it is the answer for stopping crime and violence, is most all anti-gun legislation is aimed at punishing the tax paying civilian and his ability to protect his family, not the criminal scum who commit the crime…when education and more training is what is needed, not more intrusion from big brother.

  8. Wow…as a non-gun owner and someone who personally holds a negative view of guns all together, I must say…if everyone were out advocating responsible gun ownership (and usage/non usage) like this, I’d be perfectly fine with it!

    I think with all the charged rhetoric coming from all sides, people miss an important fact that you’ve pointed out–Zimmerman PROVOKED this confrontation by chasing after Martin–who had NO idea who Zimmerman was, NO idea why he was following him (both in his car and on foot),and NO idea what his intentions were for following him.

    What is also missed is that when you do neighborhood watch, you are instructed to NOT carry a gun for this PRECISE reason! You’re also instructed to NOT pursue a suspicious person (for your own safety). Your job is to be the eyes and ears for police who may not be around to notice suspicious activity/criminal activity. Observe and report is what you do.

    All in all, a VERY well executed piece!

    • According to Zimmerman’s statement and the police report… Zman had stopped pursuit and returned to his vehicle where HE was acosted by Martin…this makes it a really tough call…in which Martin becomes the aggressor.

      Zman may have antagonized Martin but then retreated…in this version Martin becomes the thug Zman thought him to be…

      If Zman was attacked by Martin at this point he was within his legal rights to defend himself….mind you there is a witness that stated they SAW Martin on top of Zimmerman beating his head on the ground.

      Should Zman have followed Martin…most likely not…does that give Martin the right to do violence on Zman’s person…definately not.

      Here we have a case of stupidity leading to thug mentality which then leads to death.

  9. I am not a gun advocate, but I found your article to be both informative and level-headed. In fact, sensible folks such as yourself should be given a wider public platform to state what you just did here so effectively. The responsibility of owning a gun is tremendous. My problem is I don’t think enough gun owners take these responsibilities seriously, and too many become more emboldened when carrying one. I wish all gun owners were as thoughtful and safety-conscious as you. I will link my friends to your site.

    I would like to know your opinion regarding owners of “rapid fire” weapons that hold 30 or more clips.
    Do you think these weapons are necessary for one to adequately protect his family, home and/or self? Do you think those weapons are even appropriate for hunting?

  10. I really appreciate how you broke it down piece by piece of gun ownership and the responsibilty that comes with it, and how it applies to the Martin/Zimmerman situation. Your article has such a sensible and calming effect.

  11. Reblogged this on Home Gun Training and commented:
    This was posted about a year ago when the Trayvon Martin case hit the news. The principles in it are still very applicable even if the facts have changed. I believe ZImmerman’s next court date is JUne 10th. Pay very close attention to this case. Stay up to speed on unarmed combatives and the use of less than lethal weapons as well. The gun is not a magic totem that makes all evil go away by its very presence.

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